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	<title>Comments on: The Analog Monster;  G5 chirping &amp; Arcade Monitors</title>
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		<title>By: John Siracusa</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/05/the-analog-monster-g5-chirping-arcade-monitors/comment-page-1/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>John Siracusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a &quot;hum.&quot;  It&#039;s a &quot;chirp&quot; or a &quot;screech&quot;--a periodic, spiky noise, not a constant drone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a &#8220;hum.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a &#8220;chirp&#8221; or a &#8220;screech&#8221;&#8211;a periodic, spiky noise, not a constant drone.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Driftmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Driftmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s not to understand? You have multiple layers of various materials from the external case of the power supply unit down to the insulator materials housing wiring, interspersed across an integrated circuit board whose material is meant to have very little properties to absorb heat emission/loss and finally the stamped materials and embedded materials which are designed to manage the current and its many interactions. Now within this volumetric region you will have various electromagnetic fluxes created crashing into their neighbors which will result in varying frequencies. The decibel range is clearly annoying to some people looking for a hum free environment. Unless you&#039;ve got a power supply external case whose material properties include the ability to draw out heat well and absorb any annoying frequencies resulting in reducing this hum you are left with spending money in R&amp;D specifically targeting peak insulation for the PSU wires and also a material on-board and embedded that reduces flux field radii and such electronconductive properties that have virtually no material resistance to the current passing through it. 

And let&#039;s not forget the manufacturer must design this within acceptable price points of their current systems. Not to mention this material has to not produce waste materials in manufacturing that violate any federal regulations.

Concerning electromagnetic fluxes: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/fix/student/chapter6/06f03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6.3 Electromagnetic Flux, McGraw Hill&lt;/a&gt;

Note the varying diameters and the relationship of flux to cross sectional area: it is inversely proportional to the cross-sectional area (diameter thickness of insulator does matter), not to mention this doesn&#039;t take into account the material properties of the insulator used.

Rule of thumb : Costs trump best design any day of the week when you are designing a product to maximize your net profits. Apple I suppose could absorb the costs of developing their power supply unit  to be whipser quiet, but do we have any assurances that this newfound elimination of &quot;hum&quot; would result in sales increasing to make this absorbed cost worth the losses?

Unless Apple suddenly invests a sizeable chunk into companies that specifically deal with material science engineering and electrical engineering power theory I doubt Apple or any PC manufacturer will make huge leaps forward into reducing these annoying &quot;hum.&quot;

By the way, to think that only a mechanical system makes noise seems strange. Even solid materials (what we can deduce from our senses) on a molecular level are definitely not in a fixed state but in a continuous struggle of interacting forces. These interactions result in &quot;hums,&quot; that range from outside to inside our own hearing range.

Of course we should all be so fortunate to have a Quad G5. I&#039;ve got some old PIII&#039;s I could trade for one. Somehow I&#039;d manage to tolerate this &quot;hum.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s not to understand? You have multiple layers of various materials from the external case of the power supply unit down to the insulator materials housing wiring, interspersed across an integrated circuit board whose material is meant to have very little properties to absorb heat emission/loss and finally the stamped materials and embedded materials which are designed to manage the current and its many interactions. Now within this volumetric region you will have various electromagnetic fluxes created crashing into their neighbors which will result in varying frequencies. The decibel range is clearly annoying to some people looking for a hum free environment. Unless you&#8217;ve got a power supply external case whose material properties include the ability to draw out heat well and absorb any annoying frequencies resulting in reducing this hum you are left with spending money in R&amp;D specifically targeting peak insulation for the PSU wires and also a material on-board and embedded that reduces flux field radii and such electronconductive properties that have virtually no material resistance to the current passing through it. </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the manufacturer must design this within acceptable price points of their current systems. Not to mention this material has to not produce waste materials in manufacturing that violate any federal regulations.</p>
<p>Concerning electromagnetic fluxes: <a href="http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/fix/student/chapter6/06f03.html" >6.3 Electromagnetic Flux, McGraw Hill</a></p>
<p>Note the varying diameters and the relationship of flux to cross sectional area: it is inversely proportional to the cross-sectional area (diameter thickness of insulator does matter), not to mention this doesn&#8217;t take into account the material properties of the insulator used.</p>
<p>Rule of thumb : Costs trump best design any day of the week when you are designing a product to maximize your net profits. Apple I suppose could absorb the costs of developing their power supply unit  to be whipser quiet, but do we have any assurances that this newfound elimination of &#8220;hum&#8221; would result in sales increasing to make this absorbed cost worth the losses?</p>
<p>Unless Apple suddenly invests a sizeable chunk into companies that specifically deal with material science engineering and electrical engineering power theory I doubt Apple or any PC manufacturer will make huge leaps forward into reducing these annoying &#8220;hum.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, to think that only a mechanical system makes noise seems strange. Even solid materials (what we can deduce from our senses) on a molecular level are definitely not in a fixed state but in a continuous struggle of interacting forces. These interactions result in &#8220;hums,&#8221; that range from outside to inside our own hearing range.</p>
<p>Of course we should all be so fortunate to have a Quad G5. I&#8217;ve got some old PIII&#8217;s I could trade for one. Somehow I&#8217;d manage to tolerate this &#8220;hum.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Siracusa</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/05/the-analog-monster-g5-chirping-arcade-monitors/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>John Siracusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But he is dead wrong if he thinks that Apple is somehow shipping crappy analog electronics inside the machines. A more accurate assessment is that Apple — and just about every other brand name computer manufacturer — ships with the best quality components that can be had at a reasonable price and yield reasonable performance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I simply find it unacceptable for a PSU to make noise from its &quot;non-moving&quot; parts (i.e., not the fans).  I find it hard to believe that Apple cannot find a single vendor that can meet the power/size/heat/durability/price requirements of the Power Mac G5 PSU without chirping.  But if this really is the case, then Apple simply needs to increase the price it&#039;s willing to pay for this part until it can satisfy that goal.  If that means Apple has to lower its margins on this product, or even increase the retail price (Intel Mac mini anyone?), then so be it.  (Alternately, Apple can modify the case design to make the PSU easier to create at the desired specs, etc.  Whatever it needs to do.)

I can understand the very first version of a product having problems like this.  But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too much to ask for the issue to be addressed in some way over the next &lt;i&gt;three years&lt;/i&gt; which include three more revisions of the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But he is dead wrong if he thinks that Apple is somehow shipping crappy analog electronics inside the machines. A more accurate assessment is that Apple — and just about every other brand name computer manufacturer — ships with the best quality components that can be had at a reasonable price and yield reasonable performance.</p></blockquote>
<p>I simply find it unacceptable for a PSU to make noise from its &#8220;non-moving&#8221; parts (i.e., not the fans).  I find it hard to believe that Apple cannot find a single vendor that can meet the power/size/heat/durability/price requirements of the Power Mac G5 PSU without chirping.  But if this really is the case, then Apple simply needs to increase the price it&#8217;s willing to pay for this part until it can satisfy that goal.  If that means Apple has to lower its margins on this product, or even increase the retail price (Intel Mac mini anyone?), then so be it.  (Alternately, Apple can modify the case design to make the PSU easier to create at the desired specs, etc.  Whatever it needs to do.)</p>
<p>I can understand the very first version of a product having problems like this.  But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too much to ask for the issue to be addressed in some way over the next <i>three years</i> which include three more revisions of the product.</p>
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		<title>By: John Siracusa</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/05/the-analog-monster-g5-chirping-arcade-monitors/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>John Siracusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve since posted a correction on the transformer thing.  (Did you noticed that I actually linked to a WikiPedia page in my post that correctly explained what a transformer really does?  In my (meager) defense, it was late when I wrote the post and I misread the wiki.  Doh!)  Anyway, thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve since posted a correction on the transformer thing.  (Did you noticed that I actually linked to a WikiPedia page in my post that correctly explained what a transformer really does?  In my (meager) defense, it was late when I wrote the post and I misread the wiki.  Doh!)  Anyway, thanks for the correction.</p>
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