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		<title>By: bbum&#8217;s weblog-o-mat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BBEdit vs. TextMate: The Editor Wars Revisited.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbum&#8217;s weblog-o-mat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BBEdit vs. TextMate: The Editor Wars Revisited.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jacobolus</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/17/text-editing/comment-page-1/#comment-17734</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobolus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ieeg, in case you ever see this again, google for Mike Ferris&#039;s Text Extras.  It&#039;s a pretty cool input manager that adds most of that old Edit.app stuff into every Cocoa text widget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ieeg, in case you ever see this again, google for Mike Ferris&#8217;s Text Extras.  It&#8217;s a pretty cool input manager that adds most of that old Edit.app stuff into every Cocoa text widget.</p>
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		<title>By: leeg</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/17/text-editing/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>leeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit.app had some useful features (piping through UNIX commands being one) which TextEdit lost in the horrendous Java-portage times of Rhapsody.  But then that&#039;s not really my &#039;one true editor&#039;: I think if the Xcode editor were available standalone and customisable I might be swayed by that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit.app had some useful features (piping through UNIX commands being one) which TextEdit lost in the horrendous Java-portage times of Rhapsody.  But then that&#8217;s not really my &#8216;one true editor&#8217;: I think if the Xcode editor were available standalone and customisable I might be swayed by that <img src='http://www.friday.com/bbum/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Donovan Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donovan Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried TextMate when it first came out, when the original Ruby on Rails screencast used it and people were talking about how TextMate was to Ruby as Xcode is to Objective C. I tried it again last week, for a few days. I used it for editing all my Python, and I liked it quite a bit. However, it doesn&#039;t do proportional fonts, and it&#039;s Python code folding is absolutely horrendous. It also doesn&#039;t seem to have the ability to put the line numbers in the gutter. Having already paid for SubEthaEdit, I couldn&#039;t spending more money on an editor that was just OK.

As many times as I have tried to replace it, SubEthaEdit continues to be the right combination of simplicity and comfort. Sometimes it gets really slow to respond to keystrokes but other than that I don&#039;t have any complaints.

I also tried Smultron, which seemed nice except you can&#039;t open more than one editor at a time, and ScrIDE, which just looks ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried TextMate when it first came out, when the original Ruby on Rails screencast used it and people were talking about how TextMate was to Ruby as Xcode is to Objective C. I tried it again last week, for a few days. I used it for editing all my Python, and I liked it quite a bit. However, it doesn&#8217;t do proportional fonts, and it&#8217;s Python code folding is absolutely horrendous. It also doesn&#8217;t seem to have the ability to put the line numbers in the gutter. Having already paid for SubEthaEdit, I couldn&#8217;t spending more money on an editor that was just OK.</p>
<p>As many times as I have tried to replace it, SubEthaEdit continues to be the right combination of simplicity and comfort. Sometimes it gets really slow to respond to keystrokes but other than that I don&#8217;t have any complaints.</p>
<p>I also tried Smultron, which seemed nice except you can&#8217;t open more than one editor at a time, and ScrIDE, which just looks ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: sjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fooey.  First paragraph in my reply should be a blockquote of Chris&#039; comment.  Feel free to fix that and delete this comment, Bill.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fooey.  First paragraph in my reply should be a blockquote of Chris&#8217; comment.  Feel free to fix that and delete this comment, Bill.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: sjk</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/03/17/text-editing/comment-page-1/#comment-1490</link>
		<dc:creator>sjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris,

Funny, I share the same Emacs bug from around 1977, and rejoiced when finding the Cocoa text-handling emacs-compatible keystroke stuff in Mac OS X (though you have to install the appropriate keyboard maps).

Ahh, another TECO Emacs veteran.  Can&#039;t recall if I actually used it first on MIT-ITS or TOPS-20 (while at SRI).

Even with simple Emacs key bindings in Cocoa apps, basic text editing is much more comfortable than without them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I presume you can make it feel like Emacs as much as you desire?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Adding a useful subset of Emacs-like commands to TextMate (e.g. some C-x- prefix favorites) didn&#039;t look particularly obvious for someone inexperienced to do when I briefly explored that possibility last year.  In response to my asking about that in &lt;a href=&quot;http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2005/07/05/key-bindings-for-switchers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Key bindings for switchers&lt;/a&gt;, Allan Odgaard (TM&#039;s creator) wrote:

&lt;i&gt;The key bindings route sounds about right. I know Brad Miller (sometimes on ##textmate) has a bundle that recreates most of the Emacs stuff he was missing, though with time I think this bundle has shrunken in size.&lt;/i&gt;

Then I got distracted with other projects, never followed up with Brad, and stopped evaluating TM.

Now, Bill&#039;s post and your comments have piqued my TM curiosity again, with renewed hope of finding at least a few folks who&#039;d be interested in collaborating on Emacs-related hackery for it.

Nostalgic subnote:  Found this &lt;a href=&quot;http://its.svensson.org/LSPMAI%3BBUG%20MAIL16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BUG-LISP archive&lt;/a&gt; from 1981 with &quot;Chris Ryland&quot; and &quot;sjk&quot; in it.

PS: Apologies for any botched formatting; bbum&#039;s weblog-o-mat begs for comment preview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris,</p>
<p>Funny, I share the same Emacs bug from around 1977, and rejoiced when finding the Cocoa text-handling emacs-compatible keystroke stuff in Mac OS X (though you have to install the appropriate keyboard maps).</p>
<p>Ahh, another TECO Emacs veteran.  Can&#8217;t recall if I actually used it first on MIT-ITS or TOPS-20 (while at SRI).</p>
<p>Even with simple Emacs key bindings in Cocoa apps, basic text editing is much more comfortable than without them.</p>
<blockquote><p>I presume you can make it feel like Emacs as much as you desire?</p></blockquote>
<p>Adding a useful subset of Emacs-like commands to TextMate (e.g. some C-x- prefix favorites) didn&#8217;t look particularly obvious for someone inexperienced to do when I briefly explored that possibility last year.  In response to my asking about that in <a href="http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2005/07/05/key-bindings-for-switchers/" >Key bindings for switchers</a>, Allan Odgaard (TM&#8217;s creator) wrote:</p>
<p><i>The key bindings route sounds about right. I know Brad Miller (sometimes on ##textmate) has a bundle that recreates most of the Emacs stuff he was missing, though with time I think this bundle has shrunken in size.</i></p>
<p>Then I got distracted with other projects, never followed up with Brad, and stopped evaluating TM.</p>
<p>Now, Bill&#8217;s post and your comments have piqued my TM curiosity again, with renewed hope of finding at least a few folks who&#8217;d be interested in collaborating on Emacs-related hackery for it.</p>
<p>Nostalgic subnote:  Found this <a href="http://its.svensson.org/LSPMAI%3BBUG%20MAIL16" >BUG-LISP archive</a> from 1981 with &#8220;Chris Ryland&#8221; and &#8220;sjk&#8221; in it.</p>
<p>PS: Apologies for any botched formatting; bbum&#8217;s weblog-o-mat begs for comment preview.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there were three stages of Project Builder.

First, there was the primitive stage where it was baked into IB.

Then there was the three-app stage where PB was separated out from IB, but Edit was used for editing, and Terminal was used for gdb, with some integration with Edit. At some point, they added a gdb control panel to Edit.

Then ProjectBuilder gained a text editor. Then came XCode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there were three stages of Project Builder.</p>
<p>First, there was the primitive stage where it was baked into IB.</p>
<p>Then there was the three-app stage where PB was separated out from IB, but Edit was used for editing, and Terminal was used for gdb, with some integration with Edit. At some point, they added a gdb control panel to Edit.</p>
<p>Then ProjectBuilder gained a text editor. Then came XCode.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ryland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Ryland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I share the same Emacs bug from around 1977, and rejoiced when finding the Cocoa text-handling emacs-compatible keystroke stuff in Mac OS X (though you have to install the appropriate keyboard maps).

And I tried various Emacs GUI versions, but they always got it wrong (and AquaMacs is getting it wronger by the week), so I went back to the pure Terminal version recently (with the option-as-meta key preference turned on in Terminal). This has the distinct advantage that I can run the exact same Emacs locally or remotely on my server. (And a few disadvantages such as no mouse selection, etc.). And the font handling in Terminal is quite nice--you can set both kerning &amp; leading, effectively, to really customize your experience and cram a lot of lines on the screen (with a 30&quot; monitor, that&#039;s a lot of lines). And it&#039;s certainly anti-aliased.

That all said, I&#039;ve been meaning to try TextMate. I presume you can make it feel like Emacs as much as you desire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I share the same Emacs bug from around 1977, and rejoiced when finding the Cocoa text-handling emacs-compatible keystroke stuff in Mac OS X (though you have to install the appropriate keyboard maps).</p>
<p>And I tried various Emacs GUI versions, but they always got it wrong (and AquaMacs is getting it wronger by the week), so I went back to the pure Terminal version recently (with the option-as-meta key preference turned on in Terminal). This has the distinct advantage that I can run the exact same Emacs locally or remotely on my server. (And a few disadvantages such as no mouse selection, etc.). And the font handling in Terminal is quite nice&#8211;you can set both kerning &amp; leading, effectively, to really customize your experience and cram a lot of lines on the screen (with a 30&#8243; monitor, that&#8217;s a lot of lines). And it&#8217;s certainly anti-aliased.</p>
<p>That all said, I&#8217;ve been meaning to try TextMate. I presume you can make it feel like Emacs as much as you desire?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Sweater Links &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Xcode came from Interface Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Sweater Links &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Xcode came from Interface Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recently had a discussion with some folks about whether Interface Builder should be pulled into Xcode or not. According to Bumgarner, Project Builder (Xcode&#8217;s predecessor) was originally a tab in the main Interface Builder window. What a trip! Link. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I recently had a discussion with some folks about whether Interface Builder should be pulled into Xcode or not. According to Bumgarner, Project Builder (Xcode&#8217;s predecessor) was originally a tab in the main Interface Builder window. What a trip! Link. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. TextMate is good stuff. I&#039;ve been using it now for a while. The very first versions of it made me grind my teeth as well... But then, somewhere along the way, it morphed into the pretty good tool it is now. It gets used non-stop as part of my daily life.

Now--here&#039;s the fun part. Get the Bitstream Vera Mono font for use with it--bump it up a point size or two and turn on anti-aliasing. Beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. TextMate is good stuff. I&#8217;ve been using it now for a while. The very first versions of it made me grind my teeth as well&#8230; But then, somewhere along the way, it morphed into the pretty good tool it is now. It gets used non-stop as part of my daily life.</p>
<p>Now&#8211;here&#8217;s the fun part. Get the Bitstream Vera Mono font for use with it&#8211;bump it up a point size or two and turn on anti-aliasing. Beautiful!</p>
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