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		<title>By: L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love necro (I really do) .

just wanted to drop by for a quick few words :

&quot; You in the carebear costume, get the f*ck out ! &quot;

Seriously, have you people lived so many years of blissful ignorance and peace or something ???

That guy was sort of &quot;ebil&quot; but gee this is standard issue amongst human beings.

Although it has to be quite embarassing to see your cock on the web, if you hand a stick to someone you do have to expect to be beaten with it.

If anyone still feels this is unusual or abnormal, I suggest some eye surgery or a good cure of EvE Online (yes, the only mmorpg where people are just as selfish and evil as in reality, with less chocolate topping).

And then a free point to go against general opinion (a sport I do enjoy) : What is your point of view on the educational value of this event ?

How many of the people potentially put at risk by this got away with it and won&#039;t take the risk anymore ?

How many of all the people who like to show their wang and stuff realized this actually had implications ?

In my humble opinion, this was a vicious move, it definitely hurt some people, and as often suffering taught some wisdom (and here to many more people than the hurt ones).

I don&#039;t believe anyone should judge the blogger who did that either as he might also be himself unaware of the real consequencies of his little laugh - and all the same surprised by his results and thus publishing them (either way it&#039;s a weird hobby).

Devil&#039;s advocate signing off.

PS: I never posted pics of my own bazooka and I never will, therefore I declare myself able to consider those who do as &#039;somewhat different&#039; (yes I did judge them, evil me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love necro (I really do) .</p>
<p>just wanted to drop by for a quick few words :</p>
<p>&#8221; You in the carebear costume, get the f*ck out ! &#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, have you people lived so many years of blissful ignorance and peace or something ???</p>
<p>That guy was sort of &#8220;ebil&#8221; but gee this is standard issue amongst human beings.</p>
<p>Although it has to be quite embarassing to see your cock on the web, if you hand a stick to someone you do have to expect to be beaten with it.</p>
<p>If anyone still feels this is unusual or abnormal, I suggest some eye surgery or a good cure of EvE Online (yes, the only mmorpg where people are just as selfish and evil as in reality, with less chocolate topping).</p>
<p>And then a free point to go against general opinion (a sport I do enjoy) : What is your point of view on the educational value of this event ?</p>
<p>How many of the people potentially put at risk by this got away with it and won&#8217;t take the risk anymore ?</p>
<p>How many of all the people who like to show their wang and stuff realized this actually had implications ?</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, this was a vicious move, it definitely hurt some people, and as often suffering taught some wisdom (and here to many more people than the hurt ones).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe anyone should judge the blogger who did that either as he might also be himself unaware of the real consequencies of his little laugh &#8211; and all the same surprised by his results and thus publishing them (either way it&#8217;s a weird hobby).</p>
<p>Devil&#8217;s advocate signing off.</p>
<p>PS: I never posted pics of my own bazooka and I never will, therefore I declare myself able to consider those who do as &#8216;somewhat different&#8217; (yes I did judge them, evil me)</p>
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		<title>By: mydogskip</title>
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		<dc:creator>mydogskip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well first, this was not just a dating site on Craigs List, it was one of the known sexual groups for men and women.  The men didn&#039;t send pics due to a general dating ad, they sent pics to a &#039;female&#039; implying she wanted to have sex with men and posted pictures that were obviously not him.  He misrepresented himself and knew with premeditation what he was doing and going to do with the responses. What he did WAS wrong, but the courts will have to decide if it was illegal.  I agree this will likely end up in civil court and he will have to pay for a lawyer.  A quick look at his blog shows him as someone who likes to incite others for fun.

Some of the comments speak of police entrapment but this is not a pedophile case, it is supposedly two consenting adults looking for the same thing, nothing illegal in that.

What ever the legal outcome, this guy was morally wrong in what he did.  He intentionally misrepresented himself with the intention of causing great embarrassment and hurt to others.  He deserves to pay for this in some way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first, this was not just a dating site on Craigs List, it was one of the known sexual groups for men and women.  The men didn&#8217;t send pics due to a general dating ad, they sent pics to a &#8216;female&#8217; implying she wanted to have sex with men and posted pictures that were obviously not him.  He misrepresented himself and knew with premeditation what he was doing and going to do with the responses. What he did WAS wrong, but the courts will have to decide if it was illegal.  I agree this will likely end up in civil court and he will have to pay for a lawyer.  A quick look at his blog shows him as someone who likes to incite others for fun.</p>
<p>Some of the comments speak of police entrapment but this is not a pedophile case, it is supposedly two consenting adults looking for the same thing, nothing illegal in that.</p>
<p>What ever the legal outcome, this guy was morally wrong in what he did.  He intentionally misrepresented himself with the intention of causing great embarrassment and hurt to others.  He deserves to pay for this in some way.</p>
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		<title>By: peterb</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKM is right that a private individual is not the same as a police officer, for purposes of things like entrapment, but is getting the rights and obligations backwards.  Generally, the police have &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; restrictions placed on them, not less.  Generally speaking many of the fourth amendment restrictions on admissibility of evidence that apply to information gathered by the police don&#039;t apply when the same evidence is provided by a private citizen.

I think this is all pretty tangential to the topic at hand, but I couldn&#039;t resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKM is right that a private individual is not the same as a police officer, for purposes of things like entrapment, but is getting the rights and obligations backwards.  Generally, the police have <i>more</i> restrictions placed on them, not less.  Generally speaking many of the fourth amendment restrictions on admissibility of evidence that apply to information gathered by the police don&#8217;t apply when the same evidence is provided by a private citizen.</p>
<p>I think this is all pretty tangential to the topic at hand, but I couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
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		<title>By: LKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;But isn’t what Jason did essentially the same as what the cops do?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uhm... no? How about &quot;No, not at all&quot;? First of all, a vigilante is &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; the same as an actual cop, no matter what he does. One of the has special rights given to him by the state. The other doesn&#039;t. Second, what laws did these people break that cops would have gone after?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>But isn’t what Jason did essentially the same as what the cops do?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Uhm&#8230; no? How about &#8220;No, not at all&#8221;? First of all, a vigilante is <i>never</i> the same as an actual cop, no matter what he does. One of the has special rights given to him by the state. The other doesn&#8217;t. Second, what laws did these people break that cops would have gone after?</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if someone on the internet asks you to send them something kinky, do you just up and e-mail them whatever they want, with a phone number, or from a work e-mail?

One thing I need to make clear... I do not support what Jason did, and really, legally, whatever the precedent or the law says, he&#039;s on his own.

That said, I stand by my assertion that there are two issues here, the line-crossing act in question... and the stupidity committed en masse of sending such sensitive information to a random party over the internet as an act of blind trust.

Also... countless websites and blogs post e-mails submitted personally to them, without consent.  maddox.xmission.com is the quickest example that comes to mind.  Does that make what Jason did right?  Absolutely not... but the legal precedent doesn&#039;t indicate a ruling body can throw the book at him for doing so.

Also, re: a lawsuit... whoever decides to sue him is going to have to embarrass himself in court, by going into explicit detail on the e-mails they VOLUNTARILY submitted, and the language and photographs therein, plsu the intentions of sending said e-mail.  Even if it ruins a guy&#039;s marriage, you think the married guy&#039;s gonna go into court and further embarrass himself in a public forum, going into blow by blow details of what he sent and what he was thinking?  Even sans the married guy, you think the other regular guys want to blow big money on a lawyer to humiliate themselves tenfold from what they&#039;ve already experienced, and show a courtroom and a judge exactly how stupid they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if someone on the internet asks you to send them something kinky, do you just up and e-mail them whatever they want, with a phone number, or from a work e-mail?</p>
<p>One thing I need to make clear&#8230; I do not support what Jason did, and really, legally, whatever the precedent or the law says, he&#8217;s on his own.</p>
<p>That said, I stand by my assertion that there are two issues here, the line-crossing act in question&#8230; and the stupidity committed en masse of sending such sensitive information to a random party over the internet as an act of blind trust.</p>
<p>Also&#8230; countless websites and blogs post e-mails submitted personally to them, without consent.  maddox.xmission.com is the quickest example that comes to mind.  Does that make what Jason did right?  Absolutely not&#8230; but the legal precedent doesn&#8217;t indicate a ruling body can throw the book at him for doing so.</p>
<p>Also, re: a lawsuit&#8230; whoever decides to sue him is going to have to embarrass himself in court, by going into explicit detail on the e-mails they VOLUNTARILY submitted, and the language and photographs therein, plsu the intentions of sending said e-mail.  Even if it ruins a guy&#8217;s marriage, you think the married guy&#8217;s gonna go into court and further embarrass himself in a public forum, going into blow by blow details of what he sent and what he was thinking?  Even sans the married guy, you think the other regular guys want to blow big money on a lawyer to humiliate themselves tenfold from what they&#8217;ve already experienced, and show a courtroom and a judge exactly how stupid they are?</p>
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		<title>By: peterb</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll gladly stipulate that if any of the respondents were porn stars who derived income from their photos, they might be able to prove economic damages.  But that&#039;s not really a strong argument, I&#039;d say.  Plus, from a purely practical standpont, it will not be a pleasant experience for any of these men to go to court in front of their friends, families, and co-workers to say &quot;Your Honor, the defendent infringed my copyright by republishing this photo of my erect penis, which I submit as Exhibit A.&quot;

Yes, the guy who published these emails and photos was an asshole.  Some subset of the people sending him solicitations and photos (namely: the married ones) are assholes too.  The others were just gullible, which is no crime.  But this should reinforce for everyone that the best way to maintain privacy in any given type of information is, first and foremost, &lt;i&gt;to not tell anyone about it&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll gladly stipulate that if any of the respondents were porn stars who derived income from their photos, they might be able to prove economic damages.  But that&#8217;s not really a strong argument, I&#8217;d say.  Plus, from a purely practical standpont, it will not be a pleasant experience for any of these men to go to court in front of their friends, families, and co-workers to say &#8220;Your Honor, the defendent infringed my copyright by republishing this photo of my erect penis, which I submit as Exhibit A.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the guy who published these emails and photos was an asshole.  Some subset of the people sending him solicitations and photos (namely: the married ones) are assholes too.  The others were just gullible, which is no crime.  But this should reinforce for everyone that the best way to maintain privacy in any given type of information is, first and foremost, <i>to not tell anyone about it</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peterb: the factual content of the correspondence is not secret, but the actual words and pictures and/or video are copyrighted.  There is, I believe, legal precedent that sending a letter or email to someone does not give that person the right to republish it.  

In other words, publishing the personal info might not be illegal.  It probably is copyright infringement, however, to publish the photos or videos.  How serious that infringement is and how much in the way of damages could be reasonably won might be a different question, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peterb: the factual content of the correspondence is not secret, but the actual words and pictures and/or video are copyrighted.  There is, I believe, legal precedent that sending a letter or email to someone does not give that person the right to republish it.  </p>
<p>In other words, publishing the personal info might not be illegal.  It probably is copyright infringement, however, to publish the photos or videos.  How serious that infringement is and how much in the way of damages could be reasonably won might be a different question, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: bbum</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha!  A useful response.  Thanks, PeterB.

Now -- does anyone have a citation to the relevant law(s) that govern this?  In particular, how does the recent Washington State legislation impact the status of &quot;right to privacy&quot; on personal communications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha!  A useful response.  Thanks, PeterB.</p>
<p>Now &#8212; does anyone have a citation to the relevant law(s) that govern this?  In particular, how does the recent Washington State legislation impact the status of &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; on personal communications?</p>
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		<title>By: peterb</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correspondence between two parties is not secret unless there is some contractual obligation to keep it secret.  One is no more obligated to keep things sent in &quot;private&quot; email private than one is to not repeat something you overheard in the mall. There is no legal ambiguity about this.  If you tell me something of your own volition, and we have no prior contractual arrangement, I can do whatever I want with the information.  Anyone who tries to sue this person on that basis will find themselves laughed out of court before the ink dries on the lawsuit.

That&#039;s all separate from the question of whether what the guy did was moral or ethical, of course, but I see this &quot;Oh!  But don&#039;t I have a RIGHT OF PRIVACY in information I hand out freely to strangers?&quot; argument all the time.  The answer is an unambiguous, perfectly clear, not at all questionable &quot;No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correspondence between two parties is not secret unless there is some contractual obligation to keep it secret.  One is no more obligated to keep things sent in &#8220;private&#8221; email private than one is to not repeat something you overheard in the mall. There is no legal ambiguity about this.  If you tell me something of your own volition, and we have no prior contractual arrangement, I can do whatever I want with the information.  Anyone who tries to sue this person on that basis will find themselves laughed out of court before the ink dries on the lawsuit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all separate from the question of whether what the guy did was moral or ethical, of course, but I see this &#8220;Oh!  But don&#8217;t I have a RIGHT OF PRIVACY in information I hand out freely to strangers?&#8221; argument all the time.  The answer is an unambiguous, perfectly clear, not at all questionable &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Grassi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Grassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here that I get is a wake-up call that emailing potentially embarrassing personal information to an unknown party is not smart and may have unexpected ramifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here that I get is a wake-up call that emailing potentially embarrassing personal information to an unknown party is not smart and may have unexpected ramifications.</p>
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