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		<title>By: n[ate]vw</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-102361</link>
		<dc:creator>n[ate]vw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understood...good &#039;splaining. While there&#039;s glitches with what Apple does, from DRM on my movies to random kernel panics on my wife&#039;s Macbook, the trend you mention is fairly clear. Apple has a habit of encouraging me — through results — to check with them first for solutions, as well as recommending their products/services to others. In the case of movies, DVDs to me seem a better investment, but I&#039;ll still be happy if the Apple TV takes off, seems like it would piggyback nicely on a projector. [Now if only I could convince some friends to help me &quot;invest&quot; in Apple making software for their growing platform!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood&#8230;good &#8216;splaining. While there&#8217;s glitches with what Apple does, from DRM on my movies to random kernel panics on my wife&#8217;s Macbook, the trend you mention is fairly clear. Apple has a habit of encouraging me — through results — to check with them first for solutions, as well as recommending their products/services to others. In the case of movies, DVDs to me seem a better investment, but I&#8217;ll still be happy if the Apple TV takes off, seems like it would piggyback nicely on a projector. [Now if only I could convince some friends to help me "invest" in Apple making software for their growing platform!]</p>
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		<title>By: So Maybe I Want an AppleTV? &#124; NSLog();</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101874</link>
		<dc:creator>So Maybe I Want an AppleTV? &#124; NSLog();</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have read Bill&#039;s take, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bbum</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101686</link>
		<dc:creator>bbum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James has it exactly.

I should have said &quot;I want Apple to be the key player &lt;i&gt;as long as Apple continues to put the customer user experience first&lt;/i&gt;.   So far, the customer experience has been pretty damned amazing, even within the limits set forth by the media companies.   As long as that trend continues -- and I see no sign that it&#039;ll change -- I&#039;ll continue backing Apple every way that I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James has it exactly.</p>
<p>I should have said &#8220;I want Apple to be the key player <i>as long as Apple continues to put the customer user experience first</i>.   So far, the customer experience has been pretty damned amazing, even within the limits set forth by the media companies.   As long as that trend continues &#8212; and I see no sign that it&#8217;ll change &#8212; I&#8217;ll continue backing Apple every way that I can.</p>
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		<title>By: James Eagan</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101643</link>
		<dc:creator>James Eagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I also fully admit selfishness in this. I want Apple to be the key player in this; to be the iPod of Movies, if you will.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with you on this, after a fashion.  I&#039;d fully like to see Apple be the key player driving the movie download market, because Apple gets it right (for the most part).  But only in a landscape where consumers&#039; rights to the digital content are protected, and where there can be competition.

For example, I use both the iTMS and eMusic.  I&#039;m a happy and loyal customer of both.  The iTMS got the interface right, whereas eMusic has better licensing (which anyone reading this should already know is not (entirely) Apple&#039;s fault).  So, when I find something I like in the iTMS, I first check if its available on eMusic.  Even after the EMI announcement, and if all content on the iTMS were available &lt;i&gt;sans&lt;/i&gt; DRM, I&#039;d still support eMusic, because I&#039;m all for the competition to keep things honest.  As much as I love Apple, I wouldn&#039;t want to see them become Microsoft.

But now I&#039;m just rambling, so I&#039;ll stop here. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also fully admit selfishness in this. I want Apple to be the key player in this; to be the iPod of Movies, if you will.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with you on this, after a fashion.  I&#8217;d fully like to see Apple be the key player driving the movie download market, because Apple gets it right (for the most part).  But only in a landscape where consumers&#8217; rights to the digital content are protected, and where there can be competition.</p>
<p>For example, I use both the iTMS and eMusic.  I&#8217;m a happy and loyal customer of both.  The iTMS got the interface right, whereas eMusic has better licensing (which anyone reading this should already know is not (entirely) Apple&#8217;s fault).  So, when I find something I like in the iTMS, I first check if its available on eMusic.  Even after the EMI announcement, and if all content on the iTMS were available <i>sans</i> DRM, I&#8217;d still support eMusic, because I&#8217;m all for the competition to keep things honest.  As much as I love Apple, I wouldn&#8217;t want to see them become Microsoft.</p>
<p>But now I&#8217;m just rambling, so I&#8217;ll stop here. <img src='http://www.friday.com/bbum/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bbum</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101424</link>
		<dc:creator>bbum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you are both right and it is a rather hypocritical position for me to take.    The reality is that I haven&#039;t bought any movies -- not from iTMS or DVDs -- in a long, long time.   If iTunes were to offer HD quality movies, I would likely end up picking up one or two.

Frankly, I don&#039;t know what can be done to fix the current situation.  My optimistic hope is that things like the Apple TV, the iPod, digital downloads, the completely pointless arms race that is DRM, and the consumer&#039;s growing desire to playback content across all the devices combined with the continued desire to &quot;own&quot; said content will somehow drive some sense into the media companies.

It eventually worked for EMI, at least.

I also fully admit selfishness in this.  I want Apple to be the key player in this;  to be the iPod of Movies, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you are both right and it is a rather hypocritical position for me to take.    The reality is that I haven&#8217;t bought any movies &#8212; not from iTMS or DVDs &#8212; in a long, long time.   If iTunes were to offer HD quality movies, I would likely end up picking up one or two.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t know what can be done to fix the current situation.  My optimistic hope is that things like the Apple TV, the iPod, digital downloads, the completely pointless arms race that is DRM, and the consumer&#8217;s growing desire to playback content across all the devices combined with the continued desire to &#8220;own&#8221; said content will somehow drive some sense into the media companies.</p>
<p>It eventually worked for EMI, at least.</p>
<p>I also fully admit selfishness in this.  I want Apple to be the key player in this;  to be the iPod of Movies, if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: James Eagan</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101407</link>
		<dc:creator>James Eagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to reiterate n[ate]vw&#039;s comment....  I definitely don&#039;t see how the iTMS movies (or any of the other legal download services) offer a better alternative to the DVD.  At least there are (legal and illegal) methods to use DVD content for (otherwise) legal purposes, but the movies bought through the iTMS can only be played through iTunes and its cousins.  Do you know something about this that I don&#039;t?  Or are you suggesting that you simply don&#039;t buy movies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reiterate n[ate]vw&#8217;s comment&#8230;.  I definitely don&#8217;t see how the iTMS movies (or any of the other legal download services) offer a better alternative to the DVD.  At least there are (legal and illegal) methods to use DVD content for (otherwise) legal purposes, but the movies bought through the iTMS can only be played through iTunes and its cousins.  Do you know something about this that I don&#8217;t?  Or are you suggesting that you simply don&#8217;t buy movies?</p>
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		<title>By: n[ate]vw</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-101276</link>
		<dc:creator>n[ate]vw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The MPAA is to thank for the locked down nature of DVDs. I show my thanks by generally not buying DVDs...If the iTunes store ever supports DVD resolution encodings, I will buy movies through the store.

Now I&#039;m confused. I don&#039;t want to beat a dead horse — you&#039;d long been defending the iTunes &lt;i&gt;Music&lt;/i&gt; Store against unwarranted &quot;They&#039;re locking us into their system and will probably steal our firstborn given the chance&quot; attacks by reminding users that they could always burn their songs to CD. Fair enough, more easily fixed on a Windows machine, and now irrelevant. But how so with iTunes movies? You can&#039;t burn movies to a DVD, encrypted or not. Whereas DVDs are blissfully crackable, and the codebreakers are well on their way to making the new HD media start its unwinnable hardware revocation dance, the Apple system is in its worst case firmware-based and much more easily defended, as only one company needs update their encryption scheme and said scheme isn&#039;t bound by any published industry standards. When you buy from the iTMS store you are still supporting the MPAA, still inflicting DRM upon yourself and even worse, a DRM that completely locks you in to one [albeit high-quality] system. I think an Apple TV preset in Handbrake is much more likely than a permanent/cross-platform breach of FairPlay, and Steve&#039;s &quot;Thoughts on Movies&quot; seems a long way off. So why not buy the media you can watch at your parents&#039; house and loan to friends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The MPAA is to thank for the locked down nature of DVDs. I show my thanks by generally not buying DVDs&#8230;If the iTunes store ever supports DVD resolution encodings, I will buy movies through the store.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m confused. I don&#8217;t want to beat a dead horse — you&#8217;d long been defending the iTunes <i>Music</i> Store against unwarranted &#8220;They&#8217;re locking us into their system and will probably steal our firstborn given the chance&#8221; attacks by reminding users that they could always burn their songs to CD. Fair enough, more easily fixed on a Windows machine, and now irrelevant. But how so with iTunes movies? You can&#8217;t burn movies to a DVD, encrypted or not. Whereas DVDs are blissfully crackable, and the codebreakers are well on their way to making the new HD media start its unwinnable hardware revocation dance, the Apple system is in its worst case firmware-based and much more easily defended, as only one company needs update their encryption scheme and said scheme isn&#8217;t bound by any published industry standards. When you buy from the iTMS store you are still supporting the MPAA, still inflicting DRM upon yourself and even worse, a DRM that completely locks you in to one [albeit high-quality] system. I think an Apple TV preset in Handbrake is much more likely than a permanent/cross-platform breach of FairPlay, and Steve&#8217;s &#8220;Thoughts on Movies&#8221; seems a long way off. So why not buy the media you can watch at your parents&#8217; house and loan to friends?</p>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-100926</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m also in the camp of &quot;why can&#039;t I rip DVDs just like CDs?&quot;  While Handbrake/MediaFork is pretty good for the &quot;ripping&quot; part, what is really needed is a DVD equivalent to CDDB/FreeDB, so that an application can &quot;automagically&quot; look up title/track information for DVDs being ripped.  Something like that would certainly make MY life easier.

If the MPAA thinks I&#039;m going to re-purchase all of my DVDs (500+) in digital format just so I can watch them on my AppleTV...they&#039;re wrong.
(Not that I won&#039;t purchase NEW content from iTMS...there&#039;s just no way I&#039;m going to re-purchase all of my OLD content.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m also in the camp of &#8220;why can&#8217;t I rip DVDs just like CDs?&#8221;  While Handbrake/MediaFork is pretty good for the &#8220;ripping&#8221; part, what is really needed is a DVD equivalent to CDDB/FreeDB, so that an application can &#8220;automagically&#8221; look up title/track information for DVDs being ripped.  Something like that would certainly make MY life easier.</p>
<p>If the MPAA thinks I&#8217;m going to re-purchase all of my DVDs (500+) in digital format just so I can watch them on my AppleTV&#8230;they&#8217;re wrong.<br />
(Not that I won&#8217;t purchase NEW content from iTMS&#8230;there&#8217;s just no way I&#8217;m going to re-purchase all of my OLD content.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.friday.com/bbum/2007/04/12/851/comment-page-1/#comment-100478</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this AppleTV review.  I haven&#039;t bought one yet,. because I don&#039;t have an HD TV.  But I&#039;ve been reading a lot reviews (perhaps in envy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this AppleTV review.  I haven&#8217;t bought one yet,. because I don&#8217;t have an HD TV.  But I&#8217;ve been reading a lot reviews (perhaps in envy).</p>
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