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		<title>By: Nice Recumbent Biking photos &#124; Recumbent Bicycle Site</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nice Recumbent Biking photos &#124; Recumbent Bicycle Site</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Andy Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 21:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys for your writing efforts. 
I rode around Australia and Tasmania,on a racing tandem in 1989. Took 92 days cycling 14,300 kilometres.
After reading all your comments, l wish l had done it on a recumbent now!
  I sold my normal bike due to stiff back problems from foot racing 35,000 kms in 15 years marathon and fun run events. My back , near the base of my spine is right angled but l can still walk fast.
This idea of buying a recumbent, has brought the young boy out in me again and l have sat on the computer for the last week ,learning all the ins and outs of the various models. I think a Buchetta Corsa ss, or a Rans 5 pro with 700 wheels as l am 6ft 3 ins tall, will be my pick.
Thanks again for all your sharing, which is what life is all about.  regards from Andy jackson 57 years young this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys for your writing efforts.<br />
I rode around Australia and Tasmania,on a racing tandem in 1989. Took 92 days cycling 14,300 kilometres.<br />
After reading all your comments, l wish l had done it on a recumbent now!<br />
  I sold my normal bike due to stiff back problems from foot racing 35,000 kms in 15 years marathon and fun run events. My back , near the base of my spine is right angled but l can still walk fast.<br />
This idea of buying a recumbent, has brought the young boy out in me again and l have sat on the computer for the last week ,learning all the ins and outs of the various models. I think a Buchetta Corsa ss, or a Rans 5 pro with 700 wheels as l am 6ft 3 ins tall, will be my pick.<br />
Thanks again for all your sharing, which is what life is all about.  regards from Andy jackson 57 years young this year.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a relatively new recumbent convert.  I read a lot about them, such as on this type discussion page and bought my first Corsa about a year ago.  It took a little time gaining confidence and I followed the advice of someone suggesting that hills be sought out and mastered rather than avoided.  That was excellent advice and I would recommend hill climbing as well.  After a few months, I rode the Bike Tour of Colorado.  It was intimidating, looking at the profiles of the mountain passes but I soon realized I could climb as well as the average BTC rider and I could descend like a bullet!  I passed everything on descents, even tandems, and was as stable as a rock.  You steer with your butt and keep a loose grasp on the handles.  I loved it and would not consider riding anything else on a long ride.  I probably logged around  6  centuries over the summer.  It was never a goal to accumulate centuries but they were relatively easy.   I&#039;ve hobbled to the hot tub after centuries on my DF and will never do that again.  I rode 4700 miles between March and September.  By the end of summer I could average about 4 mph faster on the Corsa than on my DF (carbon) Calfee over the same course.  That amounted to an 18% increase in speed, attributable entirely to better aerodynamics.  I would contend that there are no contortions a DF rider can assume, much less sustain for 100 miles and improve by 18%. Cars do indeed give you more room when passing.  Recumbents are as comfortable as everyone says.  The only down side is the &#039;dork factor &#039;  which you get over the first time riders a decade younger,line up to draft behind you. Evolve,  get a recumbent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a relatively new recumbent convert.  I read a lot about them, such as on this type discussion page and bought my first Corsa about a year ago.  It took a little time gaining confidence and I followed the advice of someone suggesting that hills be sought out and mastered rather than avoided.  That was excellent advice and I would recommend hill climbing as well.  After a few months, I rode the Bike Tour of Colorado.  It was intimidating, looking at the profiles of the mountain passes but I soon realized I could climb as well as the average BTC rider and I could descend like a bullet!  I passed everything on descents, even tandems, and was as stable as a rock.  You steer with your butt and keep a loose grasp on the handles.  I loved it and would not consider riding anything else on a long ride.  I probably logged around  6  centuries over the summer.  It was never a goal to accumulate centuries but they were relatively easy.   I&#8217;ve hobbled to the hot tub after centuries on my DF and will never do that again.  I rode 4700 miles between March and September.  By the end of summer I could average about 4 mph faster on the Corsa than on my DF (carbon) Calfee over the same course.  That amounted to an 18% increase in speed, attributable entirely to better aerodynamics.  I would contend that there are no contortions a DF rider can assume, much less sustain for 100 miles and improve by 18%. Cars do indeed give you more room when passing.  Recumbents are as comfortable as everyone says.  The only down side is the &#8216;dork factor &#8216;  which you get over the first time riders a decade younger,line up to draft behind you. Evolve,  get a recumbent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hopkins (Trinbent)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hopkins (Trinbent)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solo bent rider in Trinidad, W.I.
Despite a population of 1.3 million, I have the only bent in Trinidad, a Giro 26 purchased 2006 and substituted a CF seat in 2008 to reduce weight a bit.  Prior to the Giro I never paid more than $100 for a bike and never owned a new bike.  I was a year-round, commuting cyclists on my ancient but trusty Norco Bigfoot when I lived in Toronto from 1985 to 2000. 

Cycling is a year round activity here although it tapers off a bit in December through to Lent so folks can focus on Carnival fetes.  There are a lot of cycling clubs in Trinidad, lots of well organized rides and regular national and regional competitions.  Some international riders come to train during their winter. We have excellent bike shops but no bent dealer.  And no one else has taken the plunge into the bent world. Road surfaces are not great. Roads are narrow and we have way too many vehicles.  There is not a single bike path or bike lane but there are a few off road tracks for the mountaineers.  

The balance on the bent was quickly mastered but it took longer to smoothly transition toes to peddles from a standing start on an upgrade.   I soon joined the second skin club as I had no prior experience with high pressure tires on a wet road!   Newbies beware of the bumps with platform peddles!  My feet bounced off the peddles on my first ride on rough road and in traffic - that threw off my balance as it was unexpected. A scary moment it traffic after which I headed to the bike shop for my first ever clipless peddles.   They add a lot of security to riding.  

Reseach can be limiting. Having read that bents are not great on hills I developed an early mental block against hilly rides (and we have lots of hills).  My first attempts at hills were a disaster until I realized that the challenge was mostly in my head not lack of legs and lungs.  I now regularly do hill rides for concentrated training when I don&#039;t have time for longer rides. Newbies should set a goal of mastering a challenging hill - a little more each time up and don&#039;t get frustrated.  If you are reasonably fit and can down shift quickly to meet the gradient its mostly mind over matter and more fun to spin outdoors than in a gym.  

On my first ever century ride at age 61, I started to cramp up going thru the central range of Trinidad but made it over without walking (he brags).  Later in the ride I was surprised to keep pace on the uphills with younger riders on DFs standing on their peddles.  It soon dawned on me that they were standing up to rest a sore butt and not for speed as we were about equally fit! 

As the guy on the strange/weird  bike I get a lot of shouted comments riding past the rum shops.  Everyone driving by with a cell phone camera has to take a picture and yell some comment out the window. I have started to record them.  The most irksom comment was, &quot;Is that a girl&#039;s bike?&quot; proclaimed to the guffaws of his pedestrain cronies.  My challenge to Mr Loud Mouth try a circuit on the hill I had just completed was not accepted and the guffaws blew back on him as I headed up again. On a century ride coming  out of a rest stop a DF rider rode beside me for a while taking in this strange sight and finally asked, &quot;Is that some kind of bike&quot;?  I launched into my elevator speech on recumbents as we rode together.  Trinidadians tend to say what is on their mind with no thought of being politically correct. After my bent spiel he then asked, &quot;Why do you ride that? Do you have an imperfection&quot;?  I assured him that I was well and whole in both body and mind?  The bent makes riding look too easy.  I get lots of comments from the DF crowd about sleeping and my comfortable looking office chair.  Not sure who they think is pushing the peddles when I pass them.  But some ask if the bike has a motor which does wonders for my ego.

I now wish I had bought something lighter and faster, but the Giro 26 is a great touring bike and a good starter. The balance is a challenge in the granny gear on a steep hill, particularly when I am weaving my way through ruts.  My wobbling and turning can cause heel and brake contact and loss of control (ie. stop and re-start or fall over).  Maybe the newer disk brakes reduce heel contact but it was not available when I bought.  (Don&#039;t know why the front caliper brakes weren&#039;t mounted on the back side of the fork)?

A touring cyclist travels about the same pace as a horse and rider.  On rural roads lined with tropical trees and plants and few vehicles, you get a sense of discovery as new vistas are revealed turning corners and cresting hills, a sense of what travel was like here in the early 20th Century, a more leisurely time.  The view sitting upright is great and its green all year round with only two seasons.  It is either hot and dry or hot and wet. And best of all it never snows!!!!
I hope you enjoyed my tale from the tropics.
Trinbent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solo bent rider in Trinidad, W.I.<br />
Despite a population of 1.3 million, I have the only bent in Trinidad, a Giro 26 purchased 2006 and substituted a CF seat in 2008 to reduce weight a bit.  Prior to the Giro I never paid more than $100 for a bike and never owned a new bike.  I was a year-round, commuting cyclists on my ancient but trusty Norco Bigfoot when I lived in Toronto from 1985 to 2000. </p>
<p>Cycling is a year round activity here although it tapers off a bit in December through to Lent so folks can focus on Carnival fetes.  There are a lot of cycling clubs in Trinidad, lots of well organized rides and regular national and regional competitions.  Some international riders come to train during their winter. We have excellent bike shops but no bent dealer.  And no one else has taken the plunge into the bent world. Road surfaces are not great. Roads are narrow and we have way too many vehicles.  There is not a single bike path or bike lane but there are a few off road tracks for the mountaineers.  </p>
<p>The balance on the bent was quickly mastered but it took longer to smoothly transition toes to peddles from a standing start on an upgrade.   I soon joined the second skin club as I had no prior experience with high pressure tires on a wet road!   Newbies beware of the bumps with platform peddles!  My feet bounced off the peddles on my first ride on rough road and in traffic &#8211; that threw off my balance as it was unexpected. A scary moment it traffic after which I headed to the bike shop for my first ever clipless peddles.   They add a lot of security to riding.  </p>
<p>Reseach can be limiting. Having read that bents are not great on hills I developed an early mental block against hilly rides (and we have lots of hills).  My first attempts at hills were a disaster until I realized that the challenge was mostly in my head not lack of legs and lungs.  I now regularly do hill rides for concentrated training when I don&#8217;t have time for longer rides. Newbies should set a goal of mastering a challenging hill &#8211; a little more each time up and don&#8217;t get frustrated.  If you are reasonably fit and can down shift quickly to meet the gradient its mostly mind over matter and more fun to spin outdoors than in a gym.  </p>
<p>On my first ever century ride at age 61, I started to cramp up going thru the central range of Trinidad but made it over without walking (he brags).  Later in the ride I was surprised to keep pace on the uphills with younger riders on DFs standing on their peddles.  It soon dawned on me that they were standing up to rest a sore butt and not for speed as we were about equally fit! </p>
<p>As the guy on the strange/weird  bike I get a lot of shouted comments riding past the rum shops.  Everyone driving by with a cell phone camera has to take a picture and yell some comment out the window. I have started to record them.  The most irksom comment was, &#8220;Is that a girl&#8217;s bike?&#8221; proclaimed to the guffaws of his pedestrain cronies.  My challenge to Mr Loud Mouth try a circuit on the hill I had just completed was not accepted and the guffaws blew back on him as I headed up again. On a century ride coming  out of a rest stop a DF rider rode beside me for a while taking in this strange sight and finally asked, &#8220;Is that some kind of bike&#8221;?  I launched into my elevator speech on recumbents as we rode together.  Trinidadians tend to say what is on their mind with no thought of being politically correct. After my bent spiel he then asked, &#8220;Why do you ride that? Do you have an imperfection&#8221;?  I assured him that I was well and whole in both body and mind?  The bent makes riding look too easy.  I get lots of comments from the DF crowd about sleeping and my comfortable looking office chair.  Not sure who they think is pushing the peddles when I pass them.  But some ask if the bike has a motor which does wonders for my ego.</p>
<p>I now wish I had bought something lighter and faster, but the Giro 26 is a great touring bike and a good starter. The balance is a challenge in the granny gear on a steep hill, particularly when I am weaving my way through ruts.  My wobbling and turning can cause heel and brake contact and loss of control (ie. stop and re-start or fall over).  Maybe the newer disk brakes reduce heel contact but it was not available when I bought.  (Don&#8217;t know why the front caliper brakes weren&#8217;t mounted on the back side of the fork)?</p>
<p>A touring cyclist travels about the same pace as a horse and rider.  On rural roads lined with tropical trees and plants and few vehicles, you get a sense of discovery as new vistas are revealed turning corners and cresting hills, a sense of what travel was like here in the early 20th Century, a more leisurely time.  The view sitting upright is great and its green all year round with only two seasons.  It is either hot and dry or hot and wet. And best of all it never snows!!!!<br />
I hope you enjoyed my tale from the tropics.<br />
Trinbent.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hubby saw someone riding one of these the other day and said he would really like one.  I couldn&#039;t understand the attraction myself as it looks rather strange.  However reading your description above perhaps I will see about getting him one for Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hubby saw someone riding one of these the other day and said he would really like one.  I couldn&#8217;t understand the attraction myself as it looks rather strange.  However reading your description above perhaps I will see about getting him one for Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: day trade forex</title>
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		<dc:creator>day trade forex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That bike is crazy.  I just moved to rural Wis from Pittsburgh and I think mountain biking is just what the doctor ordered.  That bike is awesome.  Is that custom or purchased?  The one thing that was always uncomfortable being a taller guy was the bike seat and positioning.  I think this bike takes away any of those issues.  I am going to check the local shops tomorrow.

Thanks,

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That bike is crazy.  I just moved to rural Wis from Pittsburgh and I think mountain biking is just what the doctor ordered.  That bike is awesome.  Is that custom or purchased?  The one thing that was always uncomfortable being a taller guy was the bike seat and positioning.  I think this bike takes away any of those issues.  I am going to check the local shops tomorrow.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: bbum</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is!   Bacchetta makes a rack that hangs your stuff underneath your seat/legs.  This pushes the center of gravity down even further and, apparently, you can hang quite a bit of stuff there.   Also, you can use a rear rack on the bike &amp; a handlebar rack.  I have a rather large rear pannier on the bike without a problem.   The recumbent could very likely haul more junk than an upright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is!   Bacchetta makes a rack that hangs your stuff underneath your seat/legs.  This pushes the center of gravity down even further and, apparently, you can hang quite a bit of stuff there.   Also, you can use a rear rack on the bike &#038; a handlebar rack.  I have a rather large rear pannier on the bike without a problem.   The recumbent could very likely haul more junk than an upright.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: is such a recumbent suitable for fully loaded touring? My wife wants to get me out on bike camping trips. I get very painful on either my mountain or my road bike after an hour and I&#039;m considering a bent if it&#039;s a practical possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: is such a recumbent suitable for fully loaded touring? My wife wants to get me out on bike camping trips. I get very painful on either my mountain or my road bike after an hour and I&#8217;m considering a bent if it&#8217;s a practical possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve put about 7,000 miles on my Bacchetta dual 26&quot; wheel short wheel base recumbent since i bought it in 2005, mostly in and around the city of chicago.  I absolutely love it.  I have a &quot;beater&quot; road bike for 2 mile trips to the grocery store or wherever, but rides in the 15-100 mile range are for my recumbent.  no, i can&#039;t curb-hop at speed like on the roadie.  head position is a bit lower, but reasonable.  Head position on recumb is well behind the feet, so i am more cautious when blowing a red light at busy intersections than I would be on the roadie.  i have different riding styles for roadie vs bent.  But the bent is the ultimate bike experience- your line-or-sight is slightly upward, so riding through the forest is beautiful.  on a road bike you stare at the ground.  clip-in pedals are essential.  i had no problem with learning curve, perfectly natural for me.  the dual 26&quot; wheel format is enjoyed my taller riders (i am 6&#039;3&quot;, long legs)- you need the leg length to touch down at a stop.  overall, the recumbent is awesome, i&#039;ve done the hills in wisconsin (4500 ft climbing in one day over 60 miles) at Mt Horeb, yes it can climb (if YOU can)!  try it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve put about 7,000 miles on my Bacchetta dual 26&#8243; wheel short wheel base recumbent since i bought it in 2005, mostly in and around the city of chicago.  I absolutely love it.  I have a &#8220;beater&#8221; road bike for 2 mile trips to the grocery store or wherever, but rides in the 15-100 mile range are for my recumbent.  no, i can&#8217;t curb-hop at speed like on the roadie.  head position is a bit lower, but reasonable.  Head position on recumb is well behind the feet, so i am more cautious when blowing a red light at busy intersections than I would be on the roadie.  i have different riding styles for roadie vs bent.  But the bent is the ultimate bike experience- your line-or-sight is slightly upward, so riding through the forest is beautiful.  on a road bike you stare at the ground.  clip-in pedals are essential.  i had no problem with learning curve, perfectly natural for me.  the dual 26&#8243; wheel format is enjoyed my taller riders (i am 6&#8217;3&#8243;, long legs)- you need the leg length to touch down at a stop.  overall, the recumbent is awesome, i&#8217;ve done the hills in wisconsin (4500 ft climbing in one day over 60 miles) at Mt Horeb, yes it can climb (if YOU can)!  try it!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy on a Bike-E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy on a Bike-E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to add something about safety on recumbents.  I feel strongly that the riding position is MUCH safer than a conventional bike, because of what happens if/when an accident occurs - which seems inevitable if we spend enough time on the bike.  With a conventional bike position, especially with a road bike, you head over the handlebars and endanger the face and neck (even with a helmet).  With a recumbent, you&#039;re looking at an ankle injury, and there&#039;s less room to &quot;fall&quot; - you&#039;re starting off closer to the ground.  I&#039;ve been commuting on a recumbent for several years (no major accidents yet) and I feel MUCH safer in the &quot;laid back&quot; position.  Drivers definitely give you more room as well, but someday I know I&#039;ll meet a door - and I&#039;d rather have a broken leg than a broken neck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add something about safety on recumbents.  I feel strongly that the riding position is MUCH safer than a conventional bike, because of what happens if/when an accident occurs &#8211; which seems inevitable if we spend enough time on the bike.  With a conventional bike position, especially with a road bike, you head over the handlebars and endanger the face and neck (even with a helmet).  With a recumbent, you&#8217;re looking at an ankle injury, and there&#8217;s less room to &#8220;fall&#8221; &#8211; you&#8217;re starting off closer to the ground.  I&#8217;ve been commuting on a recumbent for several years (no major accidents yet) and I feel MUCH safer in the &#8220;laid back&#8221; position.  Drivers definitely give you more room as well, but someday I know I&#8217;ll meet a door &#8211; and I&#8217;d rather have a broken leg than a broken neck&#8230;</p>
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